Today, I have an fun interview with Allison Robicelli! Allison is the insane woman who, amongst other things, created the Nutelasagna, (yup, you read that right,) and is also a James Beard-nominated food writer, and humorist. She’s been home-schooling her two kids since before it was cool, left Brooklyn a few years ago to bring her special brand of crazy to Baltimore. We’re talking everything, no holds barred, and you should probably put on headphones to listen. An interview with Allison is NEVER safe for work. 🙂

“Right now in publishing, you have to do your own marketing.”

– Allison Robicelli

Follow Allison’s adventures on Twitter and at The Takeout.


April 16. [00:00:00] Alright, we’re live and I’m going to add you now. I got you now. Yes. That was a production. That’s not a problem at all. It’s good to know. It’s good to see you too. You look great. Um, I’m trying to hold my phone comfortably and, Oh, Hey, there’s this step. My, my son moved. My phone’s down yesterday. Are you doing better?

[00:00:26] Um, you know what? Try to look on your computer again. I think we fixed the problem. Okay. It was, you wasn’t, it usually is a logo. Hold up. Go for it. Hey guys, so we’re going to have Alison back and a half a second. Alison is, um, I’ve known her for years. She does everything from, uh, she started off with a, with a bakery called Robustelli back when I was running help report her out and she would send me these ridiculous cupcakes.

[00:00:50] Um, they had, uh, let me add her back to the stream right now. Let’s see if that works. There she is perfect. You can hear me right? Yeah. Can you put in headphones. [00:01:00] No, I don’t have headphones. My kids also lost those, like headphones don’t last leg more than like 20 seconds in this house. And then they all disappeared.

[00:01:08] No, no, no, no, no, no. Get out of the room. Don’t look at me. Yeah.

[00:01:16] So, so, so, so doing well, surviving the lockdown without a problem with, um, you know, like I’ve been making jokes for ages in my writing and on Twitter about like the end of days. Because I knew this was coming and now it did. So you’re welcome fuckers. But I started homeschooling Atticus and who just turned 13 a couple of weeks ago, cause I’m definitely fucking old.

[00:01:41] Um, yeah, he started homeschooling last may. So he’s in like seventh and eighth grade. And Toby, who I love, I love Toby so much, and he’s like actually a genius. Like we’ve had him tested, but I’m going to murder him. Gonna murder him and he is home from homeschooling. Well, he is now being [00:02:00] homeschooled. He wasn’t sixth grade.

[00:02:02] Um, but I already worked from home. I do all the recipes for the takeout and like my cookbooks in my kitchen, I write from literally the spot. I have a little ass groove on the couch. Which is so, so sad cause I come in the room, I’m like, I’ve been sitting so much as I was waiting for you to come back. I was telling ’em I was telling people that that we first met back when I was running heroin.

[00:02:21] You would send me cupcakes and would send me like the craziest, they had like. Oh God, they just had such good stuff on them. You should find my first book because I know you did, Peter. You have like 26 copies of, yeah. But um, yeah, people should buy the book slash memoir put out in 2013 has got like amazing recipes.

[00:02:42] Teaches you how to make cake. What was the link to the book? Robert Kelly’s a love story with cupcakes is the name of the book. Um, buy it from an independent bookseller if you can. If you have a local bookstore, give them a call or buy it on Amazon. I’m not, I can’t, I can’t emphasize the love story story with cupcakes.

[00:02:59] You can also put my [00:03:00] name into Amazon. And it’ll pop up, but it’s more, and it has recipes like not just for cupcakes. You can make big cakes out of it. There’s recipes for trifles and puddings and kind of like a make your own adventure thing. Um, and then I’m working on a proposal now and, um. Yeah, well, let me, what has a Brooklyn kicked your ass and you moved to, uh, Maryland.

[00:03:21] I was born and raised in Brooklyn. You’re wondering, is that known? But whatever.

[00:03:30] On the other side of that bridge, the hand thing to you, my friend. No. It’s like you’re the one person that like the Brooklyn accent comes out again for, and the hands I like. I actually literally took speech classes when I went to Boston university, got rid of my accent. I sound like a respectable human being and look what you did to me in five minutes.

[00:03:51] Graduate. 98 98 you, you graduated NDA. Uh, Gabby graduated [00:04:00] 97 and I was 94. Yeah. Cause you are older than me. I am older than everywhere I’ve ever went. I am, I’m father time over here. My fucking kitchen. Yes. So, um. Yeah, no, no. Just like, I mean, you saw what happened in New York. It’s all frickin oligarchs and it’s not the new guys I grew up in and I had a business there and you know, the restaurant business, I think people finally understand what I have been talking about for years about where this was headed.

[00:04:24] Like if you were in the restaurant business or the food business, or know anything about like the farm bill or how our food system has, you know what it’s turned into. This was an evitable like a crash like this. I don’t think it was going to be a pandemic, but it was a house of cards and. Five years ago, I was like, I’m done.

[00:04:40] Four years ago, I was just like, I’d had it. I wanted to move to someplace that was like New York. When I was a kid growing up, came to Baltimore. We were going to open up a place here, but then my husband got sick and then I lost everything, and this has been twice in my life. I’ve lost everything, which makes me incredibly well suited for the times we’re in.

[00:04:58] Been here, done [00:05:00] this. I can do it. Like I can survive anything. I mean, I’m like stronger than share. Like what do you face going on? When do you, when do you think, and I don’t think these ever gonna be back to normal. What do you think the next normal is gonna look like? Oh, man. One of the reasons that I decided to start homeschooling my son last year, um, schools are still teaching the way that I was taught.

[00:05:25] 2030 years ago and the way my parents were taught and the world doesn’t look like that anymore. And the world is about like constant learning and constant stimulation and constant doing. And my, my son was like, I’m bored at school. He was like not doing any of his work cause he was like, we just sit there and we write and we read and he is ADP like I do.

[00:05:45] So, um, I brought him home. I started finding all these amazing resources online, like online. I mean. Like he just got into particle physics because he has like a CERN simulator in, in, on online. [00:06:00] And he’s doing all these crazy science experiments. He has a periodic table where he can conduct chemical experiments, like virtually we have an Oculus headset, so he can like go to Venice and go on these tours of Venice.

[00:06:12] And, um, there’s actually even a something on the Oculus that brings you back. To the seven wonders of the ancient world. And he can like walk through them and, and now he’s retaining information and he likes that. Uh, so now with Toby coming home, I already have all the systems. Like we actually, Attica started a site called smarty pants,

[00:06:33] And that’s where he, like, I taught him how to build a website. Um, he put all his educational links there. So if you guys want to go look at that, I have a ton of links for you. Um, what is, tell me what. The new world looks like not only homeschooling, that’s all that’s been in your head for the past year or whatever, but, well, he said that, okay, this is the sad thing that when the shit went down, I realized like my day to day lifestyle doesn’t change all that much, but she was so fucking depressing.

[00:06:58] Um, but I work from [00:07:00] home. My kids work now from home. My husband was working from home and I’ve told the kids for awhile, like. I’d be like, you’re not probably going to college cause I can’t afford it. And college prices have spiraled out of control. You’re going to start seeing people educating themselves at home.

[00:07:16] Again, like adults, like you know, you’re not doing what you did in college. I mean, just the concept of telling an 18 year old to decide what they’re going to do with the rest of their life is ridiculous. Especially because what Atticus was learning in school like last year, a lot of it’s already obsolete.

[00:07:31] Um, so you need to be preparing kids and adults to be lifetime learners. You’re, I’m learning new stuff every single day. You know, you should be doing some of these online programs with your kids. Also, our family unit, I have one child. Yeah. Well, you know, you have the cats one cat singular. You really don’t know anything about me.

[00:07:51] It’s so depressing.

[00:07:55] But. You know, kind of the way things used to be for [00:08:00] thousands of years of human history where family units take care of each other, where you have little social units that take care of each other. And you know, we, my husband and I have worked together on and off for years. We are working on another book together.

[00:08:13] We are going to be self publishing a book soon. Um, and like publisher. Because if the Abe, the original publishing process is glacial, it’ll take like two to three years to get a look out. And I’m not, I’m not completely averse to that because there’s a lot of pluses to traditional publishing. Like, um, you know, the next book I’d like to traditionally publish is focused more towards teenagers.

[00:08:37] So, you know. The reach is better, but for self publishing, you have a more control over your products, the way you are marketing and everything. Right now in publishing, you kind of have to do your own marketing and everything. Anyway, so like if I’m doing all that marketing, why am I not keeping like 70% of the profits?

[00:08:55] That’s exactly what I said. I’m not, my next book is not going to be, so it’s not going to be published by a publisher. [00:09:00] Just I’m done with that. But, um, let me ask you this, in terms of, uh, what you’re seeing in Baltimore. I mean, you, you guys, you know, haven’t been immune to the orange man’s, uh, ire as it were, as, as neither have we.

[00:09:14] But, um, you know, do you see, talk about what you see when things start opening up again, if they do, when they start, when things start coming back. The big thing I’m concerned about New York is all the, you know, you mentioned sort of the Europe becoming old Markarian. You know, I think the only companies that are going to survive this here in the city are the CVS, is the Wells Fargo’s and things like that.

[00:09:37] And so all the small businesses, what fewer left here in the city. Um, it’s not like I’ll tell you. Okay. So like when I, when Matt got.

[00:09:50] You just don’t know what to do with yourself, you know, cause it’s, especially when you’re on a brick and mortar or a restaurant or a food business, it is your life. It is something that like, it’s not like a [00:10:00] laptop. You can close. That’s not something you can go on vacation and do. Um, it’s literally what you eat.

[00:10:04] You sleep, you breathe. And then when it’s over. Um, and everything’s gone. You don’t know who you are. It’s as much a part of your identity and like your religion and your spirit as it is. Like, it’s not just a job. It’s never been a five o’clock. It’s, it’s who you are. So everybody’s kind of scrambling now and trying to figure out ways to like, keep this alive.

[00:10:23] And I mean, I’m just telling people, and I hate doing this. I hate being honest, but I have been through this twice. Um. Sometimes it’s just useless to like fight against a rec time cause you’re just going to drown. Sometimes you just have to kind of go live and see where it takes you because, um, you’re just digging downward in your, you, everything’s out of your control.

[00:10:44] You can’t control that. You can’t control what the federal government does. You can’t control what the banks do, you know they’re gonna fuck you over. Um, GoFund me will never be enough people buying gift cards will never be enough because again, like I said. This is, this is, this was a house of cards, [00:11:00] you know, New York look like in two years.

[00:11:02] What does Baltimore look like in three years? No restaurants. Restaurants aren’t coming back. Even if we find financially a way to get restaurants back, I don’t want to go to restaurants because I’m scared of other, I’ve been in the house for five weeks now and I had to go to the supermarket yesterday to get brownie mixes cause that’s part of my job.

[00:11:17] I’m tasting all the brownie mixes and writing about it for the takeout. Um. And I couldn’t walk into the baking aisle because there was another person there. And my husband has a, uh, immune, he’s immunocompromised. So like he’s doing okay now. He had a surgery on the table that now had gotten shifted, but he, if he gets this, he probably will die.

[00:11:36] So I’m out and I’m like, if people are six feet away, I’m like, that’s not enough. We’re like, they’re moving like, you know, they’re walking out of the way, but they used to be there and all these thoughts start running through your head. And. I’m like, I’m going to go back to a restaurant and freak out the entire time about the people who are on the table like six feet next to me, or is the prep cook.

[00:11:57] Okay. I’m starting to fear people [00:12:00] on the street. Um, is it just that, is it just that. Coronavirus has altered your line of thinking because people were getting sick before this. Yeah. I still go to restaurant. Yeah. But I mean, I, you know, the AIDS AIDS in the eighties didn’t have the same effect that this does AIDS in the eighties and I was in, I was in elementary school and that happened and they were bombarding us in, um, public schools with like, you know, psh video games that came up.

[00:12:28] But it was very clear to us that AIDS could not be. Caught by coughing. It was not at first. Not at first, but I just know if you’re saying no more restaurants, what happens when there is a vaccine, right? Are we not gonna go to restaurants? Cause we’re just gonna wait for the next one to hit. Listen by the time we get the vaccine, and by the time we get the treatments, um, I’m telling you, first off, I think I saw it on Bloomberg or something.

[00:12:56] People are like, uh, imagining what restaurants will look at and they’re like, Oh, well, tables will be further [00:13:00] apart. The restaurant reasons restaurants are so crowded is they every single label. Okay. I mean, I urge people, please go read the farm bill. Please have it read. What’s happening to is vertical integration.

[00:13:11] Please look why the dairy industry is collapsing. Walmart has a huge part of it. Please look white chicken. It’s like what has happened with Tyson chicken? Okay. The food system is complicated. Anybody’s wildest dreams, so all of those tables sandwiched in together are just enough usually to keep the lights on.

[00:13:29] It is not enough to pay your workers living wage. It is not enough to give them benefits. Surface are still on tips. So if nobody comes in that night, they’ve made like $6. So everything is a disaster. Okay, so, so let’s find some positives in it. So, you know, I, I used to work, uh, work with this, um, uh, three D food printing company, right?

[00:13:48] That you put fresh, uh, fresh ingredients in the, into the, into the capsules. It prints food, right? So not you, Sarah. No, not Sarah. So look at the premise. So look at the premise of something like, [00:14:00] okay, you don’t want to go to a restaurant. Are there going to be places for, I mean, I can’t look. Where’s society where people need to interact with other people, right?

[00:14:07] As stupid as people are. And as much as I hate most people, and you and I share that we do have a desire to interact with people. I can’t. The only person I’ve interacted with in the past five weeks, it feels like is my, my daughter and my cat. Neither of them are able to hold a conversation for more than about 30 seconds.

[00:14:28] Well, but at the end of the day though, I do. I like people in small doses, right? People are like pepper Rica in that regard. Right? Too much pepper, Rica, too many people. So, so I don’t, I can’t imagine. That the doom of where now, no more restaurants or anything. I just, I don’t believe that’s going to S we are a human race that we do come back.

[00:14:49] We do thrive. Look at the night, you know, after every single pandemic we’ve had right after nine 11 Oh, there’s never going to be any more construction. Look around. Yeah, but I can’t imagine that this is, this is going to halt us forever. I just [00:15:00] can’t imagine a wall in nine 11 was different because people, okay.

[00:15:05] There was going to be more construction because there was money to be made from it, and the people who are in charge of building those buildings are the ones who, you know, like they’re the same people who want the economy open right now. All right. By the time we get. But I’m going to talk to them, but I’m not never talking about the buildings that were knocked down.

[00:15:21] I’m talking about the fact that everyone thought, I remember being in central park taking a fitness class right after that 11 and, and the, the, I’m staring at him right now, the time Warner center towers. We’re only about halfway done and they’re never gonna get finished. They’re never going to be done if it’s going to get done.

[00:15:35] Because like Silverman properties, and like with Bloomberg and coming at people, people want to make money. So if they’re making money, that’s great, but people want to make money. You don’t think they’re going to find ways to open restaurants and make it work. I don’t think that they’re going to be able to financially do it.

[00:15:48] I mean, restaurants before this was such a huge risk. I mean, look at David, Buster’s Chucky cheese, they’re going to die and with good with good reason, right? That rat, that ratchet died 30 years ago, but these [00:16:00] things, what are we going to do about it? Look, my six year old wants a birthday party. She’s not going to a zoom birthday party.

[00:16:05] Ain’t going to cut it for her, so things have to happen. Things do have to happen, but I’m saying like in the five weeks I’ve been home, like I don’t think that I’m this person. You know? I think like, yeah, I’m going to go out and see people that, like I said before, it doesn’t change my lifestyle that much.

[00:16:20] And I’m like, that’s sad. I want to be more social. I want to be able to, you’re looking at this from the lens of right now, I’m asking you to look at this from the lens of two years from now. Oh yeah, no, but. Where I am five weeks. This is how my brain has changed in five weeks. What’s going to change in your brain in six months?

[00:16:36] What’s going to change in your brain in a year? I will tell you that the 20 minutes I’m spending twice a week outside when I go to get my daughter or drop her off at her mom’s or pick her up from her mother’s. Just this 20 minute I was outside on Saturday, I went, I went and socially distanced with someone in a park in Montclair, New Jersey.

[00:16:53] If you would have ever told me, Alison, that I would be, that the happiest day of my week would be being in my fucking Montclair, New [00:17:00] Jersey. Right. But is it someone I love and care about? It was happy. I remember smelling the air and taking this huge, deep breath. So many deep breath. I nearly passed out because it snowed like skydiving.

[00:17:11] It smelled like fresh air and it was a wonderful feeling. So you don’t think we’re going to want that back? That’s not not wanting the outdoors. I’ll tell you the best part of my week. On Sundays, there’s a drive through Starbucks, like half an hour from here. I go, I drive on, I get an Americano with my son.

[00:17:27] And then last week we drove by an old church with an old cemetery from like the 19 hundreds behind it. And we sat in the cemetery because nobody’s going to, like, people are all over the parks, but nobody’s at the cemetery. So we’re sitting there in this guy’s grave from like 1850 I’m drinking coffee Easter Sunday and amazing, amazing.

[00:17:47] And I loved it. But then you, I start noticing that if I see somebody at the corner of your eye. Party just kinda like, Oh my God. Like, Oh my God, like you, you don’t know who they are. You don’t know where they’ve been. And this is like, this is just subconscious [00:18:00] stuff where we are being trained to accept other, and this has been going on for a while.

[00:18:04] Peter, you know this, you were like the original social media guy, right? I’ll be honest with you though, I don’t see it because I, New York, even now, I mean, there’s 20 minutes. I’m welcome a daughter. There are other people. I’m seeing people the street, I got the funniest text, you know, there’s a, there’s, would you believe that?

[00:18:18] Um. You know, the people who are still working there, they’re like for industries that are, that are making money here. Right? You got, you got, uh, subscriptions. PornHub have skyrocketed. Right? Alcohol is up 556%. Right? And here’s the funniest thing. Someone I haven’t texted and probably years and years and years reached out to me and said, Hey, just wanna let you know, I’m still working.

[00:18:39] I haven’t heard from the guy in years. No, it was. Oh,

[00:18:47] okay. But Hey, he’s still doing business. I guess. My the first week of this warranty. Now I smoke weed every day. This is my morning weed, but every day after nine o’clock I put the kids to bed and they [00:19:00] go out and I smoke weed. And the first week that this happened and I locked down a week before anybody else in my dealer, cause I buy, I don’t buy from a dispenser.

[00:19:08] I don’t need to begin to my money to white men, the economy, businessmen. So my guy comes over, he shows me a test. He got the Corona test cause his, his wife is a nurse. He had it, he showed it to me, he showed me photos of the entire packaging process they have going, everything is sanitary like, like my local dealer is on top of this shit and I appreciate that because I am smoking more weed than I ever have in my life.

[00:19:38] It used to just be kind of like a little thing at night to help with my insomnia and now it’s like, it keeps me from screaming. All the time. This existential screaming, like just going out and like yelling at a tree and then kicking it. Totally normal. Now you can do that and people just like, I get it, I get it.

[00:19:54] It’s like the craziest on the outside now and we are okay, but back to the restaurants, listen, I don’t want any of the [00:20:00] shit that happened. I don’t, I don’t. I want to be able to go out and hook people and be social, but I know now in five weeks from now, you know, if I’m already seeing. That I need to kind of be scared of other people that I don’t know what’s going to come back.

[00:20:12] I don’t know if they’ve been washing their hands or if they’ve been not social distancing or they’ve been having this Lesley Faire attitude towards it. It’s going to take, as long as it’s taking us to adjust to this, it’s going to take twice as long to adjust from this. And restaurants are not going to be able to put their like everything on hold for three, four or five years.

[00:20:30] And I agree with that, but I also, I can’t say, I can’t believe, at least in New York city. That restaurants are not going to open and someone someone posted, they believe that things like olive garden are going to go to like a carry out only that I don’t necessarily buy. I don’t believe that. I believe that those are the kind of my are going to survive.

[00:20:46] Olive garden. Okay. Olive garden for a long, long time. And, and all the garden restaurants, like red lobster and everything. They have been very against delivery and takeout. Okay. This was even like, I was reporting on this six months ago and now they’re changing their [00:21:00] entire business model and I don’t know how it’s going to fly because like, I don’t want to buy, if I’m ordering out, um, I’m not.

[00:21:08] I’m not paying $25 an entree. Right. No, that’s just, it adds up for a family. I mean, I’d be $150 for dinner at an olive garden. I don’t want to be in my living room. I need to stop for a second. Just note the comment that’s currently posted that my father is apparently very intrigued by the fact that that pod helps with insomnia.

[00:21:26] IRA. I have not been able to sleep since I was 12. 12. I had been on Ambien. I have been on everything. I’ve got pills in my purse for days. This right here, I put on some TV. I take this out, remind me of, I’m reminded of, um, the, the, the side of that live skit with Katy Perry comes on and it’s the two Italians.

[00:21:53] The Bronx ladies. Exactly. I mean, my filter is [00:22:00] like, I didn’t really have.

[00:22:04] I can tell you this. Morton’s is doing a $40 tastes, a $40 chefs plate. Right? Which includes a bottle of wine and they’re delivering that. But I can’t afford, no, I get it. I’m just saying the companies are adapting. We got two minutes. We got two minutes left. I want you to stop saying negative thing. I want you to give us some positive stuff very, very quickly.

[00:22:21] When people don’t have jobs, they can’t pay for take out or, but other things are gonna change. You’re going to love this fact. So before this shit happened, taco bell was doing 70% of their food was through drive-throughs 70 that is why they won the fast food Wars in demolition. Man. That is happening.

[00:22:43] That was right about a lot of other stuff. The data I have, the data. Demolition man is happening now. And, um, but you know, I learned long ago that when the entire world and, and another reason why I [00:23:00] moved to Baltimore, when the entire world has been completely destroyed and everyone has given up hope and there’s like, it feels like nothing can be done.

[00:23:07] It can be a beautiful thing because that means you can build whatever the fuck you want. That’s true. We can start again and we can start again. Turn that into our last minute. Turn it into something happy. What’s, what’s next? What’s the good stuff that’s coming out? All right. I’m very lucky. Limited. I have my husband, I have two kids and I have Noah who is like my a 20 year old kid.

[00:23:26] I adopted long story. But we have a household of five people who take care of each other, and that is going to be the future. And you know, it’s less meaningly. It’s less, you know, it’s less going off on your own and feeling like this lone Wolf. And you realize your family needs each other to take care of each other, to pitch in that when one person’s down, the other person can pick them back up.

[00:23:48] Um, cause we’re not just talking about like, you know, there’s a lot of grieving. There’s a lot of emotional grieving. And I told you when I lost my business, I mean it killed me for like two years for my, like just knowing who I [00:24:00] was or what I’m doing with my life. And that’s going to take a very long time for a lot of people.

[00:24:05] Okay. Mattress got furloughed and he’s devastated cause he’s like, I love my job. What do I do? But once we get over that grief, then we really need to kind of come together and work together to move things forward. You can’t be alone. You can’t rebuild alone. You can’t fight in the Thunderdome without people, you know, like you need, we need each other more than ever.

[00:24:25] So at the same time, while we’re isolated. We’re actually going to eventually become less isolated than we’ve ever been before. As long as you remember that you’re not alone. Okay. Sucks. This fucking sucks so bad, but it sucks for everybody. And when you feel like it’s only you, it hurts so much. But when it sucks for everybody.

[00:24:49] It’s like, all right. You know what? We’re not well doomed because there’s no other choice. There are no other choices of each other. We will lean on each other. It’s what you and I did for years. As entrepreneurs find people take [00:25:00] care of each other and we see what happens when you put evil people in charge, when you put people in charge.

[00:25:07] This isn’t even just like political differences because even if Biden wins, I can’t forget that. I have family members who thought putting children in cages was a good thing. I know, I know. Like this isn’t, this was a wound that’s never going to heal. America had a really good run two months or something years more than most countries.

[00:25:26] I think. Look at me, let me the cup people were asking how they can reach you. Reach out to you. How can people get to you? Um, Twitter is usually the best way at Robert Shelly’s. You can email me at, um, Alison group at Chile, at Um, sometimes I post a lot of pictures of my cats on Instagram if and food I’m making, and I’m the staff writer and the culinary dynamo at the takeout.

[00:25:47] So, um, that’s the food site from geo media and the onion. Um, but I’m serious, but it’s a, it’s a funny. It’s a funny food side. It’s real information, but I think it’s really good actually. I like, I’m very, I’m very Boise. [00:26:00] I am doing an interview now. Do you want me to say hi to Peter?

[00:26:06] My friends senior forever looking good. This man has the greatest Instagram. You’ve got to follow those incident. No. What’s your Instagram handle?

[00:26:17] Thank you so much. I follow him on Instagram. He’s phenomenal. Yes. Alright, Allison, I’m ending this. Thank you my darling. I love you. I love you more. And another point over, we’ve been friends for I think 10 years now, and we can count on two hands how many times we’ve seen each other in person. Yep. But again, we’ve had an amazing relationship.

[00:26:37] Computers, emails, texts. That’s just already how we communicate. Okay. I asked you to do this and 20 minutes later you were doing it. So thank you again, the best possible spot for this to happen. Okay. We’re good to each other. We’re creative and I will see you guys later. But guys, guys, thank you for watching.

[00:26:54] We’ll be on again soon. Bye.

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